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<big> CasperTech is a UK based technology company, not a legal firm, and it is therefore NOT CasperTech's place to interpret the laws of any country. | <big> CasperTech is a UK based technology company, not a legal firm, and it is therefore NOT CasperTech's place to interpret the laws of any country. | ||
If you want clarification on Linden Lab's skill gaming and gambling policies, the '''ONLY''' people to ask are Linden Lab themselves, since it is THEIR policy.</big> | If you want clarification on Linden Lab's skill gaming and gambling policies, the '''ONLY''' people to ask are Linden Lab themselves, since it is THEIR policy.</big> | ||
=== Skill Gaming | === Wagering Policy Info From Linden Lab === | ||
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: '''[http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Policy_Regarding_Wagering_in_Second_Life Official LL Wiki: Wagering Policy]''' | |||
=== Skill Gaming Policy Info From Linden Lab === | |||
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: '''[http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Featured-News/Coming-Soon-Skill-Gaming-in-Second-Life/ba-p/2771080 Official blog: initial announcement]''' | : '''[http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Featured-News/Coming-Soon-Skill-Gaming-in-Second-Life/ba-p/2771080 Official blog: initial announcement]''' | ||
: '''[http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Featured-News/New-Deadline-for-Skill-Gaming-September-1/ba-p/2788558 Official blog: deadline change announcement]''' | : '''[http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Featured-News/New-Deadline-for-Skill-Gaming-September-1/ba-p/2788558 Official blog: deadline change announcement]''' | ||
: '''[http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Featured-News/Reminder-New-Skill-Gaming-Policy-in-Effect-September-1-2014/ba-p/2810386 Official blog: reminder announcement]''' | : '''[http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Featured-News/Reminder-New-Skill-Gaming-Policy-in-Effect-September-1-2014/ba-p/2810386 Official blog: reminder announcement]''' | ||
: '''[http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Second_Life_Skill_Gaming_Policy | : '''[http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Featured-News/Update-to-The-Skill-Gaming-Application-Process/ba-p/2833570 Official blog: Update to application process]''' | ||
: '''[http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Second_Life_Skill_Gaming_FAQ#What_does_Linden_Lab_consider_a_skill_game.3F | : '''[http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Second_Life_Skill_Gaming_Policy Official LL Wiki: Skill Gaming Policy]''' | ||
: '''[http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Second_Life_Skill_Gaming_FAQ#What_does_Linden_Lab_consider_a_skill_game.3F Official LL Wiki: What Does Linden Lab Consider A Skill Game?]''' | |||
'''If these Linden Lab links do not answer your question(s), you will need to log in to your SecondLife.com dashboard, and open a [https:// | '''If these Linden Lab links do not answer your question(s), you will need to log in to your SecondLife.com dashboard, and open a [https://lindenlab.freshdesk.com/support/tickets/new support ticket] directly with Linden Lab to get your question(s) answered. (Don't use Livechat, they're not actual Lindens, and will just tell you they can't interpret policy.)''' | ||
=== CasperTech Products === | === CasperTech Products === | ||
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When LL introduced their "Skill Gaming Policy", Casper had sought (and received) assurance from LL that CasperTech products (Lucky Chair, Midnight Madness | When LL introduced their "Skill Gaming Policy", Casper had sought (and received) assurance from LL that CasperTech products (Lucky Chair, Midnight Madness) are not affected. This is because: | ||
: '''a)''' They're not games of skill | : '''a)''' They're not games of skill | ||
: '''b)''' They don't give out cash rewards or prizes | : '''b)''' They don't give out cash rewards or cash prizes | ||
: '''c)''' Lucky chair / Midnight Madness doesn't handle money '''at all''' | : '''c)''' Lucky chair / Midnight Madness doesn't handle money '''at all''' | ||
==== | '''Important note:''' Charging for access to a group, which is then required to use the machines, may also count as wagering. You may also have legal obligations depending on your local jurisdiction, beyond Second Life. | ||
=== Case incidents === | |||
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==== 20th of October, 2014 ==== | |||
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A customer had their Midnight Madness returned to them, with LL citing a violation of the skill gaming policy. This decision was overturned, see ticket response 1 below. | |||
=== Ticket Responses === | |||
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This table will show all known responses to support tickets to the Lindens regarding this issue. Permission has been received to quote the information here, from the person who opened the ticket. | |||
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! Response number | |||
! Ticket Response Date | |||
! Linden Responding | |||
! Message | |||
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| style=white-space:nowrap valign="top" | 1 | |||
| style=white-space:nowrap valign="top" | 23th of October, 2014 | |||
| style=white-space:nowrap valign="top" | Tommy Linden | |||
| Greetings, | |||
Thank you for contacting us regarding the Midnight Madness Board that was returned to you. The board itself is not within a violation of the Terms of Service, or any Policy referenced within it. Unfortunately what did cause the violation is that in order to use it, they had to pay a fee to join a group, and then it was a chance on whether or not an item would be distributed based upon how many people signed up. The paying to access and no promise of a prize, is what makes the board a game of chance and not a game of skill. | |||
We have since reviewed the general operating premise of this scenario, and have decided that -- given the behavior outlined above -- it is not a violation of the Terms of Service or any Policy referenced within. | |||
Regards, | |||
Linden Lab | |||
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| style=white-space:nowrap valign="top" | 2 | |||
| style=white-space:nowrap valign="top" | 25th of August, 2015 | |||
| style=white-space:nowrap valign="top" | Sparky Linden | |||
| Dear, (name removed), | |||
After reviewing your account and the information you have provided, we have removed the warning that was placed against your account for violation of the Second Life Skill Gaming policy. We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused you. | |||
Kind Regards, | |||
Sparky Linden | |||
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Latest revision as of 00:01, 20 February 2022
CasperTech is a UK based technology company, not a legal firm, and it is therefore NOT CasperTech's place to interpret the laws of any country.
If you want clarification on Linden Lab's skill gaming and gambling policies, the ONLY people to ask are Linden Lab themselves, since it is THEIR policy.
Wagering Policy Info From Linden Lab
Skill Gaming Policy Info From Linden Lab
- Official blog: initial announcement
- Official blog: deadline change announcement
- Official blog: reminder announcement
- Official blog: Update to application process
- Official LL Wiki: Skill Gaming Policy
- Official LL Wiki: What Does Linden Lab Consider A Skill Game?
If these Linden Lab links do not answer your question(s), you will need to log in to your SecondLife.com dashboard, and open a support ticket directly with Linden Lab to get your question(s) answered. (Don't use Livechat, they're not actual Lindens, and will just tell you they can't interpret policy.)
CasperTech Products
When LL introduced their "Skill Gaming Policy", Casper had sought (and received) assurance from LL that CasperTech products (Lucky Chair, Midnight Madness) are not affected. This is because:
- a) They're not games of skill
- b) They don't give out cash rewards or cash prizes
- c) Lucky chair / Midnight Madness doesn't handle money at all
Important note: Charging for access to a group, which is then required to use the machines, may also count as wagering. You may also have legal obligations depending on your local jurisdiction, beyond Second Life.
Case incidents
20th of October, 2014
A customer had their Midnight Madness returned to them, with LL citing a violation of the skill gaming policy. This decision was overturned, see ticket response 1 below.
Ticket Responses
This table will show all known responses to support tickets to the Lindens regarding this issue. Permission has been received to quote the information here, from the person who opened the ticket.
| Response number | Ticket Response Date | Linden Responding | Message |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 23th of October, 2014 | Tommy Linden | Greetings,
Thank you for contacting us regarding the Midnight Madness Board that was returned to you. The board itself is not within a violation of the Terms of Service, or any Policy referenced within it. Unfortunately what did cause the violation is that in order to use it, they had to pay a fee to join a group, and then it was a chance on whether or not an item would be distributed based upon how many people signed up. The paying to access and no promise of a prize, is what makes the board a game of chance and not a game of skill. We have since reviewed the general operating premise of this scenario, and have decided that -- given the behavior outlined above -- it is not a violation of the Terms of Service or any Policy referenced within. Regards, Linden Lab |
| 2 | 25th of August, 2015 | Sparky Linden | Dear, (name removed),
After reviewing your account and the information you have provided, we have removed the warning that was placed against your account for violation of the Second Life Skill Gaming policy. We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused you. Kind Regards, Sparky Linden |